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Tom 2:13
Alright, so do I right. So shall I put a timer on as well, to get a sense of what we're doing right first five minutes? Director yada yada Yeah, shall we? Should we make a start? Yeah. So should do three to one then set the timer.
Ben Davis 2:25
We can have a couple of minutes of rambling if you want to. Like we can have like one or two minutes. Just go that high and then go like right. Okay. Okay. This is Tom's, you know, the first attempt at 15 minutes of flog. A little bit of a ramble and then we go right timer starts now.
Tom 2:37
Okay, fine. Fine, right. Alright. Okay. Hello, bad.
Ben Davis 2:40
Yeah. Hi, Tom. How are you doing?
Tom 2:42
Yeah, not bad. We're doing. We're doing the Hills Have Eyes today. And it's very exciting because this is my first 15-minute episode attempt. Yes. I think you've done a couple with Fiona revenue. Yeah.
Ben Davis 2:54
Yeah. I've tried. Yeah. Yeah.
Tom 2:55
Which is interesting for batch Lee. I mean, what what where did it come from? Like, where did you get the idea for that?
Ben Davis 3:00
Well, I think it was just trying to get more just get more content out. I was aware that just wasn't really, you know, trying to get an episode out a week, which is fine. But we've kind of discussed it with newer films as well that I'm just not am I going to sit there and watch the Suicide Squad more maybe a push, but am I going to sit there and watch it and then go right, you know, I must do an hour review on that. Yeah, not great. I'm struggling to do episodes as it is. So it's just like, you know, how can I find watch more films have an excuse to watch more films, maybe ones that I wouldn't watch? Or wouldn't watch to review and do episodes on them? But not in an hour? So maybe 15 minutes of flog is just another genius idea from myself?
Tom 3:36
Yeah, it is. It's genius. Nothing short of I mean, you said you did things like you know Ferris Bueller's Day Off? I think that's coming out, isn't it?
Ben Davis 3:43
And yes, that's the first one. Yeah, that'd be the first one to receive the treatment. Interesting.
Tom 3:48
That'd be an interesting reception. Because I suspect not a lot of pick. Not everyone will share your dislike of Broderick might be a little bit controversial. People like that.
Ben Davis 3:57
Yeah, it's difficult. Because with that, in 15 minutes, it was just going. Yeah, yeah. Matthew Broderick in the Ferris. Gross, unbearable. Yeah. So it was tricky. It was the first one as well. So you know, so and obviously, for me, it was very difficult because I do like to waffle. That's kind of the joke. I do like to go on a bit. And it's hard for me just to condense my words and my thoughts. Yeah, I think that that one is probably not a great start. Potentially. You may, unfortunately, maybe need well, maybe half an hour. You don't need an hour.
Tom 3:57
Well, it's a good indicator of what you're getting on the channel. I mean, you know, if you're if you're not going to get a sort of Ferris Bueller fan club, I mean, when I watched it, I had a friend at school who had it on DVD and he just loved it. He thought it was great. It was classic, timeless. I was like this guy's utterly objectionable. This guy's unbearable, actually. Yeah, by the end sort of doing all this dancing in the street, you know, carnival arrangement.
It's hideous. Yeah. Yeah.
It's hideous is really hideous.
Ben Davis 4:53
After doing the review. I listen back to I was like, Well, yeah, maybe I should have briefly mentioned I can see why people would have seen it as like Ferris you know? Showing Cameron a good time. He's very stressed for a young man. He's got lots of problems, you know, and Ferris just gone out of his way to show Cameron. Just live a little average day off. Take the Ferrari. What's the big deal? You know, it's that didn't mention that but.
I just Yeah, but anyway, yeah, that's that's the Ferris Bueller episode. You know, we're not we're not here to waffle. This is 15 minutes before we need to get to
it. Yeah.
Tom 5:24
Well, alright, so Hills Have Eyes 2006 remake will. Will. Should we make a start then on 15 minutes? Okay. All right. Are you ready? All right. 321. Right The Hills Have Eyes 2006. So directed by what Alexander ARJA? I think that's the one. Yep. Okay. Very much known for the I believe it's called the new French extremity movement. All right. Yeah. Or a contribution to high tension back in the early 2000s 2003. That's right. Yeah. Quite a young man when he made that but showcasing how he you know, he had the capacity to make some pretty nasty you know, out there stuff taking risks. I like that film. What do you think high tension switchblade Romance?
Ben Davis 6:07
Yeah, really good. Yeah. The beginning of like a, what was it like at the French New Wave and horror? Yeah. Oh, anything that was labelled as that? A bit of P2? Do you remember p two p two. Did you do that after after that? Which was after high tension? Yeah. That odd one that P2 because we did that sort of late at night randomly a couple of years ago?
Tom 6:25
Oh, yeah, we did.
Ben Davis 6:26
We watched the film. And I think we were gonna do an episode which is going up. So going. I'm not sure why we didn't just watch Hills Have Eyes. Yeah, right.
Tom 6:33
Yeah. No, I think it was because we were worried about not doing the hills of ice. Yes. That must have been it.
Ben Davis 6:37
Yeah. So I think PT was like the next on the list that we hadn't seen. looked kind of interesting. Yeah, it was okay. All right. It was yeah, it was p2 it had the nastiness. It had the same kind of vibe in the same way as high, high tension, which played Romans used to interchangeably I think it's just it's two titles. But um, but yeah, it has that kind of like, you know, one character is completely unhinged. And then I think he went on to do this. 2006 Yeah. Then he did Mirrors. Oh, yeah. I haven't seen that. But which is when he kind of went he went into the supernatural a bit with Mirrors with isn't Kiefer Sutherland. It's a bit of a Yeah, got my attention to this to watching Kiefer Sutherland just look in mirrors it's a bit yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen it. So maybe it is. It's fine. But though it's
Tom 7:21
it's it's a bit of a step down. I think it starts drifting at that point into that supernatural stuff, which doesn't isn't quite as real isn't quite as good. He's got a few things because isn't it? He's?
Ben Davis 7:30
He did. Yeah, he did. Prianina 3D, which I think is is silly, but it's fun. I think it went down reasonably well with the 3d stuff. And yeah,
Tom 7:37
I quite liked Prinana 3D He did that Horns Hall. Yeah. Never saw that. To be fair to Daniel. Radcliffe.
Ben Davis 7:44
tried to watch that once back at uni with with a gentleman. Nice to house with. And yeah, that got that half hour and I was like, I'm gonna have to leave. Bad film bad company. Just, I'm just just all around a bad experience. So yeah, didn't look too good. I wasn't impressed.
Tom 8:01
Interesting, right. So horns didn't like bending light horns. Ninth light. So it's time to film the ninth life of Louis Drax, which I think has it's got all Jamie Dornan I mean the poster alone looks like a total 180 from Arja And we've got we've got some people looking out into water. What's going on there?
Ben Davis 8:19
He's most recent film maybe more maybe second most recent film Crawl with the alligator those Yeah, crocodile crocodile or whatever. I didn't actually see that you said it was good. I heard it was not too bad.
Yeah, not too bad. Yeah, the CGI is reasonable. Like it wasn't Yeah, it was good. You know there's a couple of decent moments in it. I think it's pretty well put together
Tom 8:38
and then most recently oxygen for Netflix. All right. Oh, no. Did you see oxygen I'm saying that now. Now.
Well, it's basically about a woman who's drifting through space actually now doing she's in space at the beginning no doubt sorry soiler hall so as the stairs we should say actually on 15 minutes a flog I always forget on filmfloggers but there's spoilers there's always oh it's a spoiler face. Yeah, this this one will be spoiler heavy.
And it's a it's basically one of these woman is in this kind of chat. It looks almost like some kind of futuristic recovery little pod where she's locked in. And it's almost like in hospitals in where, you know, whatever point in time we're at, you know, people who were like convalescing or whatever, basically go in and put in like a coma in one of these pots. Just in one of those. She can't get out. It seems like someone's locked her in. And then it turns out, you know, she's basically, you know, firing itself through space. It didn't work as well for me, but you know, good is a deft hand is good. It's good. Solid, solid, list you know, a couple of doubts, but solid, it's moderate. I think he makes interesting films. On the whole he does 100%.
Ben Davis 9:39
Cast members, right. What are the hours we got? We got 30 seconds before we get into the meat of the review.
Tom 9:43
Ted Levine. Yes. Yeah. Actors. Yeah. Ted Levine yet. Kathleen Quinlan. I think your name Apollo 13. Ted Levine. I doubt that it is now I don't know. What else. Well, the bloke who plays Doug, who I think makes this film for me, he's called Aaron Stanford. Never heard of him. Haven't seen him since he's I think he's pretty. Oh, it's good. Yeah, very really good.
Ben Davis 10:03
Yeah. What have we got for in terms of like a quick synopsis of this? You know what a family on a nice family vacation going through the New Mexico desert? Yeah, that's it are besieged by a group of family and other family of cannibals. Cannibals. Yeah, sort of deform cannibals from the hills. Yeah, well, you know, that's it. So we're into the meat. We're into the meat of the review. The remake. We mentioned it's a remake was Craven. We didn't we didn't but yeah, it is. Have you seen the original remake?
I haven't seen half seen bits right. I've seen it. I was gonna watch I was I actually watched it and I yeah, I've watched bits on YouTube and I was like, I think I'm getting what I need from these clips. It's you know it's 1977 it's older it's it's a bit it's a bit more silly.
Tom 10:45
Well, they always say with as they do with a lot always crazy and films. West crazy West Craven he crazy for Craven? Yeah, that will they say that? The you know, all of his films are the subtext. And supposedly his the subtext of Hills Have Eyes which I think the critics of the remake you know, have a problem with is that the original suppose the total line between being this thing about who's a civil a civilised ones, the the the family who have been it will be preyed upon by the by the mutants, or is it or is it in fact, the mutants because, you know, whenever the family then kind of retaliates this then the the blurring of lines between who is who was the real I don't know how you get to that to be honest. Well, supposedly that was Yeah,
Ben Davis 11:25
well, it's seen again, isn't it in this one in the next one? I don't know if the first one the original was a little bit more political. And it's messy. I think so. I think in around that time, so it's post Vietnam and it's in the 70s. And as I said, I didn't watch it so I can't really get too much into it, but you don't look at the cannibal family if you don't really feel sorry for them.
You don't go like Oh, you know, to be fair, it's not you know, they've got to live as well. With this it sets it up because you've got the opening with with all the nuclear blow out and you know, all that kind of stuff. And you're like, right, okay, that looks pretty grim Christ and you get the you get the opening cruel with like, 1962 the government did this and you know, family sometimes just didn't want to leave their homes. This is the aftermath. And then you see them, you know, the guy, the hazmat going around the desert and they get attacked, you know, Christ and what the fuck happened to them? Jesus that looks that looks terrible.
Not for one second, you go in, like, do I feel bad for the cannibals? Are they just trying to lie, they're just trying to get by of the family, you know, they had their homes literally blown away from them. They're just trying to live as well, they got what they supposed to do.
Tom 12:21
But I think I think the reason why you feel that way is because of and we'll have to talk about the fact that you know, that scene that is ultimately like the turning point for everyone, it's the moment where a lot of the characters do quite dramatic sort of changes in their, in their, like morals, and you know, old doug goes from being like this pacifist to you know, won't touch a gun into this axe wielding you know, Beast basically. And it's because it's such a hard hitting scene, the sort of invasion on the on the camper van, and you know, all the other stuff that's going on, that it that it does serve as a really kind of powerful turning point for everyone. And
I think almost part of the reason why it hits so hard is because there is such a slow build. I mean, actually the first the opening scene where those the guys doing the, you know, the testing of the wildlife is is almost out of place a little bit because it's a slightly naff cliche horror movie intro way just got like some guys getting attacked by an axe wielding mutant but you know, it's quite effective but I think in the context of the rest of the film, it's it's probably one of the weaker weaker parts of this I think the opening the opener Yeah,
Ben Davis 13:24
I was thinking when I was watching I was like, Is this dragging a tad understand that we're building up the tension but it's not we've kind of seen in the opener we've kind of seen what we're dealing with without seeing their face. There's no tension for me really being built up other than you know, the family are going to be having a blowout pretty bloody so so I wouldn't get dragged but I don't think I needed like 40 minutes of just the build up to then finally see the face of the cannibals. Oh my Christ. It's well done when it happens in the camper van when the girls getting attacked. Here we go. Right now this is going to be ramped up a notch. And you don't really get you don't get a lot from the cannibals Do I know you don't in some ways, you don't really need any backstory because you get the crawl. You get the opening thing so you know what's happened.
But all you getting from these cannibals is that wobbly head man just in a wheelchair? Oh, yeah, like some blob just go and like, get all the baby
Tom 14:10
he serves is like controlled. And they this bloke whose heads basically hanging off the back of his wheel.
Ben Davis 14:14
Yeah, that guy's Yeah, that guy's controlling proceedings. Yeah, he is orchestrating this from that wheelchair, with his head fucking almost touching the floor. Yeah, it's, you know, it's fine. Yeah. And again, you probably don't want a lot of exposition. I think, you know, we say it before how things get ruined when you don't know what's happening. I mean, if you did wreck that last 10 minutes of that wreck is to some of the best 10 minutes ever it is and it's so good because you just you just don't know what's going on. And you don't want to know what's going on. Other than life, a few bits of clippings and stuff. It's like it's that's what you want. You sort of touched on it. But I guess the fact that Doug and Bob, the juxtaposition of them, you've got Bob, you know, this light of it. The character in the original is pretty much the same. The strong, you know, like man's man, conservative, patriotic, all this kind of stuff. will protect his family at all costs then next to Doug
well it's very much like the modern man like he works in a telephone company. You know, he's all about the phone he's wondering about getting signal he you know, he's a pacifist doesn't like gun. He's being babied by his wife, his dog, you know, what about the sun hat? But the sun? How and what are you doing? Have you got water? It's all very practical. Very precious. Yeah, this anti gun law No, I shoot my own foot off its all that, isn't it? It's like conservative versus like the liberal guy. And you're like, well, there's no way this dog guy is gonna be able to clean up when old Bob gets burned, you know? Like all that sort of where they're going from it. There's no way Doug's gonna be able to clean up and go and get the value back.
So I guess having those two next chapters like it's for full effect, isn't it? You need that read and also the relationship with the Dad and son in law father in law, you get get all that dynamic as well, don't you? Which is about right. I think it's I think it's a really good portrayal of the family.
Tom 15:49
I think it's like the interactions between them and all the different you know, all the little things that come out come out from that. I think that's all very well covered. But, but that I mean, I mean, you know, I think one of the things that works here is that Alexandria, as we've explained from his earlier films, he's not afraid he's not shying away from slightly controversial subject matter. I mean, he's not he's not squeamish. And that's it. That's what works so well here I mean, every single bloat land land of the axe, you know, that attack on the attack on the trailer, it really hits hard and whenever he then totally switches and he basically goes on this kind of rampage to look for his baby and he's any finds a little village that the older cannibals live in.
I mean, there's some really like nasty kills there. Where it's not shying away
Ben Davis 16:30
talking about nasty kills did you not unfortunately have to watch the the cut version of this which is a shame
Tom 16:35
if you're gonna watch this don't rent it off Amazon because whatever copy they've got it there is some kind of cut slimmed down version where basically one of the most upsetting parts for me was the scene where Doug axe is the guy who's got the shotgun when he's hiding behind the car in the original he's got the accident this this guy's back and he's twisting it around. Oh, let's bring up totally cut away and then we get straight in the eye. We didn't see any of that in the car. I had very disappointed well that's that's why you have to own the uncut DVD. Yeah, we've got to have it on do
Ben Davis 17:05
Who hasn't got the uncut DVD of the hills of oh, you know if you haven't around. Yeah, you don't film connoisseur. I know. So yeah. Yeah. Fortunately, while I'm out, you know, running out of time, you know, what
Unknown Speaker 17:16
else can we go for? Well, no, it's any more about the cannibals? Oh, did you not want to mention Ted Levine? Ted Levine. Yeah. VFA No, sorry. Good. Good. Oh, he said he isn't a lot of course. Yeah. Yeah. It was good, isn't it? Yeah. Well, Buffalo Bill science allow Yes. Buffalo Bills cool shutter Island on and he pops up here. Yeah, he's been around the boys just a pair hands. Yeah, he's he's good.
Tom 17:38
But even you know even the even the younger kids the teenage children like that they're good at it as well. I mean, both of them are good.
Ben Davis 17:44
Everyone's got adaptive now they've got to you think there's no way they're going to get through this? We've died with the kids and more fair enough like that just teenagers early 20s Like it's it's grim. But I think I mean, that's done well other than right at the end when I think that yeah, they think they've done and he comes back and they just go right there. Let's get out of here. Hello, sorry. Wait, where you going? Yeah, exactly where you're heading to? Yeah, it's bloody good.
Tom 18:05
I think base it for me for me just to summarise what I think good about this film I think basically countdown timer let's go What have you gone down time right so I think probably for me it's it's it's a nasty horror film, which is good. You know, all the kills hit hard. characters go through genuinely profound unbelievable change. Great performances. I think the tensions build up really nicely at the beginning. Give it a watch. Yeah. Big fan.
Ben Davis 18:29
Yeah. Well, yeah, I think I think that's that's about Ryan. Yeah, I think yeah, a little bit more time with the cannibals maybe, maybe for me just talking a bit ball back. Sorry, but then fine. Very good. Gory, Give it a watch. Excellent. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, maybe and breathe.
Do we do we do we might have a bit of chat at the end. Or we can have like, Yeah, well, so just the premise is that at the end, you know, you can't talk about the film. So you know, 15 minutes you can go around it, but you can't talk about the the meat of the film because that he said, right. Okay. So we can you know, have a rundown and just a not final thoughts, but just, yeah, just whatever you want. GOOD film. I was concerned that it wasn't gonna hold up. Yeah, same. Yeah. I've always enjoyed it. It was good. It's a lot better than the the original. But it's hard to compare the two that they're very different, you know, different areas different times. You know, saying that this was off the back of the last house on the left, which is pretty fucking explosive from Wes Craven.
Tom 19:28
Sorry, do you mean do you mean, the original? Do you mean to mean the original Hills revised came after the last house on the left? It did. Yeah. Yeah. Last house on the left is pretty. It's pretty full. It's full on Yeah.
Ben Davis 19:40
Yeah. Video nasty was nice. It was was it? Was it one of the land and all sorts of stuff. And I think maybe that's what was getting done with the the original Hills advice, but I think it got toned down a little bit. I think the message changed a little bit maybe. I know we touched upon briefly the political stuff and the message that Wes was trying to get from that. But anyway, you know, too much about it was also the film. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I've got any more. I think that was probably about right, wasn't it? I think 15 minutes for that. I think you could have could have done a 45 minute episode on that. Yeah, it's a good film. So you could have you could have wax lyrical about various bits and bobs, but I think I think 15 minutes is decent.
That's about right. Yeah. Arja Yeah, he's, he's doing he's doing the best. He knows what he's doing. So def down. I need to watch his oxygen film. I haven't seen it.
Tom 20:26
Now. You don't know that much. I mean, it's like obviously it's like reasonably well may but it's just like at the end it literally it literally turns into I'll turn it I'll turn this recording off.
Ben Davis 20:39
Yeah, well, yeah, we'll say goodbye, Tom. You know, Christ. All right. Oh, yes, of course. So yes, thank you very much for that Ben.
Tom 20:45
I enjoyed the 15 minutes.
Ben Davis 20:46
But yeah, what did you think of the new format? What do you think the format
Tom 20:49
Well, it takes a bit of getting used to I think, and I think I need I think I need to I need to structure my sort of my points probably, you know, in line with how we do it.
Ben Davis 20:58
We had plan to do this as a full length we do sort of be nattering this morning so we just thought you know what this give it a go? I think I'd always prefer if it's especially if it's me and you I feel like we can we've got stuff yeah, we can do full episode I'd always prefer the for the full length but I think for a bit of extra content you know making a why not? Yeah, give the listeners what they want just more of the Ben and Tom
Tom 21:16
more stuff. More stuff. Yeah. So yeah, great. Cheers. I stopping by right beautiful.
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Ben Davis 21:32
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